“I hope you don't mind me saying, but, and don't take me the wrong way. I'm not preaching or anything, but you're not living up to your potential”, she says rather apologetically. We are in a Brooklyn bar talking with some friends, drinking, doing what other kindred spirits do on a lovely Thursday night. Someone was even kind enough to bring cholent for everyone. We noticed them earlier, a group of four young ladies, or girls. “Probably Lubabs” our own ex-Lubab exclaimed. When I got up to refill my gin one of them, approached me, apologized, and confronted me. “You're not living up to your potential”.
I am genuinely confused at first. Is she one of these who think that I as a Chasid am missing out on the world, that I have no idea what it looks like on the outside, that the outside isn't only bar food and blindfolded pinatas. Wait, I tell myself - knowing that I'm a little bit tipsy, could she be referring to my 'heresy', but how would she know that?
“No, no, I don't mind at all”, I say. “But what exactly do you mean?”
There are three other girls there. They avoid my glance. One even looks down. They must not feel comfortable with what she is going to tell me I realize.
“You are not living up to your FULL potential”, she explains.
I'm not that drunk, I think, she just isn't really doing any explaining.
“What do you mean? What IS my potential?”. I make sure to smile, lest she takes my insistence as a sign of annoyance.
“Your Frum way of life”.
“Oh, and how would you know that I am not?” I genuinely want to know. Obviously, they are here too, hanging out, drinking, listening to the Mariachi just as we do, so what made me stick out as a non-frummie. I look back at the table I just left, at my crew (As Diana called them), they are fully immersed in a conversation, passionate as only ex-frummies and wannabe-ex-frummies can be.
“Come on, I saw you.” she says. I remain puzzled. She takes notice apparently, and says “I saw you shaking hand with the women in your group”. Oh, yeah. I did.
I do what I do best in this situation. “Look”, I say, “I eat chazer on Yom Kippur, so, clearly, there's more than a missing potential here”.
She is no longer apologetic or shy at all. She's opinionated, slightly judgmental but full of spunk. Just the way I like my arguments. Soon my friends notice the verbal scuffle and gallantly join me. Her friends don't leave her to our mercy and a full fledged discussion argued in the most passionate of ways emerges. It lasts for an hour or so before everyone's spouse calls to ask why the late hour.
The tall Blond girl cannot resist, it seems, She calls out to me “I can only say one thing, deep inside you're hurting”.
“I know”, I say, “but it's not only inside. It's right there in the open!”
It is my turn, my last turn to show them. I call out to the girls who turn back “you know guys, with all due respect, and I'm not saying it to hurt you, you failed miserably in the commandment of da ma shatoshiv”.
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I once heard Penn, or Teller – the talkative one, say that a real good natured believer would always try to save your soul, after all if I am convinced that my friend is going to be in a lot of trouble would I not try to save him, even if, for the moment, he considers me a bother?
When the argument was over, after I came home and the gin left my brain I thought about this argument, and how I cannot blame P. for coming across as judgmental and opinionated. I looked at her as a genuinely good soul who only tried to do me good. So although she left early because she couldn't bear the counterarguments, I believe, she still scores highly in my book for trying.
They wanted to know if I told my wife where I am going, what I am doing, and with whom I hang out. I don't tell her. Not because I want to hide it from her but I respect her enough not to hurt her. I believe it to be a mean and painful thing to tell a frum spouse on Shabbos “I am going to watch a movie now”. It may not be ethical to hide the kind of conclusions I came too, but flaunting it is quite something else. If she asks me I will tell her, but she doesn't ask, and I would rather not tell. She has an option, she reads this blog.
So yeah, when I hugged one of the girls we hung out with goodbye, and the frummies confronted me, asking if I would tell me wife that I shake hands or hug women I told them no, I would never tell her. Why would I hurt her? Would I tell her every time I break a commandment?
There are certain moral laws that govern ethical people that I would be expected to be upfront with someone as significant as a spouse. Cheating on, lying to, stealing from, badmouthing her are things that are wrong, but things that are inherently part of the 'outside' world such as lighting up on a shabbos, going to a movie theater or shaking a woman's hand is not something I must feel bad doing just because it hurts her. All I can do is avoid flaunting it.
Okay, if you are still reading. I don't like chazer, or other kinds of trief meat. As you know, I am not even crazy on kosher meats. Same with seafood. Yuck. And what I really do on Yom Kippur is not the point (as you know I was in Shul with the kids), it's what I WOULD do that counts.

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ReplyDeleteס'מאכט זיך.
ReplyDeleteNice post! and cute story!
ReplyDeleteI just have one question for you.
do you also feel, that proselytizing against religion is also as wonderful? or is it only if u have heaven as an award that it is excusable?
Personally i don't know about proselytizing, but i would be in favor of getting the word out to all the fundi's, and letting them know that the truth is not on their side.
I think that most OTD'ers disagree with me. But since i believe that you only live your one life, is that not important enough? Should I not want to save people from engulfing their one and only life in shtusim (silliness) 24x7 ?
>I believe it to be a mean and painful thing to tell a frum spouse on Shabbos “I am going to watch a movie now”.
ReplyDeleteIt very much depends on how and why you are saying it, and how your relationship has been crafted.
Oh and BTW, great stuff.
ReplyDeleteBut I wanted to hear about what you were doing at that bar in the first place--I was hoping for some details on the great reading you got to watch. : )
ReplyDeleteBeautiful piece, as always.
Diana,
ReplyDeleteBut of course!
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Hey, I completly agree with not telling everything to your wife.
ReplyDeleteif you realy love her, as I do, it is more important to protect her then anything else.
of corse if you only do things that are forbiddend by old RABONIM.
Hi!
ReplyDeleteI have a question and am not sure where to ask it. Shtreimel, I hope it is ok that I am asking it here. Over the past few years I've seen this storm of "OTD" Jews who seem, from an external stand point, to be desperately grasping on to their old identity. Most of them have names that have a Yiddish or Jewish source, along with some word with a negative connotation. As an "out-of-towner", as you would call me, I never had an internal view on the New York religious "system". I've met people, I've read, I've asked questions, but I still fail to understand the desire to stay connected. If, intellectually, you find a reason to choose a different life style, why keep your feet in the old one? If it is emotional reasons then I can see where cognitive dissonance comes in to play and what have you, but if you are intelligent adults, could you not overcome these emotional bumps and get on with life? I guess it comes down to a question of Jewish Nationality and Jewish Continuity. I've discussed this with Ultra-Orthodox, Modern-Orthodox and other modern labels we love to give ourselves, and it seems that the source of Jewish Continuity is the Torah and the passing down of traditions. It also seems that a vast amount of Jews in New York have either a) failed to pass things down properly, resulting in this wave of emotionally-torn OTDers and/or b) failed to factor in the effects of broken homes, access to public entertainment, untrained teachers and things of the sort that can shatter children at whatever age they get shattered. I've only been religious for about 4 years now, so I guess I should be checking out the "burned BT" blogging section. If someone can write to me, junkahmail@ gmail.com, and tell me more about this cultish sub-culture, please do. I won't try to be m'karev you just yet, I just want to find out more about "you people".
From my female perspective, i think you should avoid hugging girls, out of respect to your wife. Even if she doesn't know about it. Especially if she doesn't know about it.
ReplyDeleteBefriending other women is threatening enough.
Shtikel stira, if your wife reads this blog, doesen't she know what you are doing?
ReplyDeleteHi, I disagree in one of the most important things. your closing statement.
ReplyDeleteIt is more important what you do than what you would. I am sure you are aware of this, for the rest...I do not feel entitled to comment. Never between husband/wife relationships
You are not living up to your FULL potential[.]Oh my, that's too precious. It actually is an advertising slogan by a sub-organisation of a large, well-known American sect that believes they were planted on earth by aliens to be superior to all other people. Next time somebody approaches you uttering such a statement, ask her in what kind of magazine she picked up that goyishe dreck just to see her reaction.
ReplyDeleteHugging other girls, shaking their hands is one thing.. but from previous posts, I think you allude to more than that. There is a difference between Religious observance and loyalty to your wife. Uphold your morality...
ReplyDeleteMaybe one day you'll get to the stage where you are not a "lehachus'nik",, eating chazer on yom kippur etc. Time to let go of all t hat anger.
- S.T.
PT,
ReplyDeleteThanks. How and why doesn't matter when whichever way and for whatever reason I end up hurting her. There's no use for me in doing it and she doesn't deserve it.
Tafkes,
But of course.
Anon 7:38,
I'm not sure what your question is all about. Why would I not embrace that very part of me that couldn't be replicated or discarded. If I like cholent, for instance, then why not eat it? Why would I fight it?
Kisarita,
Now why would you say that, and why is it different than me using a telephone on Shabbos?
Gevesener,
But that is my point. I will not tell her, but I won't hide it from her if she wants to know. That wouldn't be nice either.
Sarah,
In can be argued as such too, but the point I was trying to convey to the proselytizing wannabes is that I'm that far. And I am that far – eating it or not.
Froylin,
All religions think alike – and nosh from each other. It shouldn't be surprising.
S.T.,
Too much thinking, alluding, and such. Too little knowledge...
your other part deserves a post – methinks. I just need the time.
but if you dont want to tell her since you dont want to hurt her, why post it in a blog she reads?
ReplyDelete>whichever way and for whatever reason I end up hurting her. There's no use for me in doing it
ReplyDeleteTransgress enough, and it will no longer bother her. Works for some perhaps not for all.
Maybe she doesn't know its his... Imagine the shock of finding out that one of the blogs you were reading is in fact, your husbands. shudder...
ReplyDeleteS. T.
GI,
ReplyDelete1.I'd rather not tell her.
2.I do not want to hide from her things that she DOES want to know.
3.She does not tell me if she wants to know.
4.I told her about this blog a long time ago, and I know that she has read it
Hence, if she wants she can read it and if it hurts too much to know what I'm up to she can avoid reading it. The options are all hers.
S.T.,
Not in this case. She wouldn't be reading blogs stam azoi.
"Now why would you say that, and why is it different than me using a telephone on Shabbos?"
ReplyDeleteyou're not seriously asking me that are you?
one is a religious but not an ethical violation, and one is an ethical but not a religious violation. you figure out which is which.
Kisarita,
ReplyDeleteWHAT? A hug goodbye? Is a peck on the cheek an ethical violation? How about shaking the hand?
Shaking the hand gets you pregnant. Yes, even you, Shtreimel.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't like living in a situation that I have to ask my husband to know what he's up to!
ReplyDeleteAre you claiming, that you never cheated on your wife?
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ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with people that they assume that talking to people of the other gender or being friends with them will inevitably lead to sexual intercourse? Us secular people don't spend our spare time mating like animals in the heat.
ReplyDeleteLast time I gave an unhappy frum guy a friendly hug goodbye he started kissing the crap out of me.
ReplyDeleteBewitched,
ReplyDeleteYou don't always have what you like.
Sara,
I have and never will. People, somehow, feel entitled to ask me this ever since I started blogging. Since I believe that this question is out of bounds I have never answered it (and a few others).
Superchic,
You can't be too surprised seeing how many, even readers of this blog, seem to identify human gestures with sexual connotations. It's the upbringing.
Sorry if I implied that you had any bad intentions; The question is how your wife perceives such behavior. Would she find it threatening not in an ideological way, but in a much more personal and intimate way?
ReplyDeleteI can't speak for her. But I remember well the knot of anxiety that would ball up in my stomach when I saw my ex deep in intimate conversations with other women, pats on the shoulders, as he so often was.
I think it all depends on his relationship with her. If everything is pretty superficial between them, and then she hears that he has /is capable of having deep philosophical convos with other women, i bet that would bother her..
ReplyDeleteAlthough, I've heard from some woman that she doesn't "expect' to have deep conversations with her spouse. thats what girlfriends are for.. go figure..
S.T.
Super,
ReplyDeleteit's never personal, so no need to be sorry.
This is exactly what I am talking about, it is your upbringing, as is the woman I spoke to, as was mine actually. But after a while the outside forces are stronger than anything indoctrinated, it just takes time.
ST,
the specifics doesn't matter. In general I believe you're right, it all depends what's expected.
I see "shtreimel" that you're determent to win this one. ;)
ReplyDeletei can see your soul, I only got to the 2nd paragraph, to, realise, you were spiritually crying out;
ReplyDeletedo.you.want,me?
erh,
no